Legislature(1995 - 1996)

03/19/1995 01:20 PM House FIN

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  HOUSE BILL NO. 158                                                           
                                                                               
       "An  Act  relating to  civil  actions; amending  Alaska                 
       Rules  of  Civil  Procedure 49,  68,  and  95; amending                 
       Alaska  Rule  of  Evidence 702;  and  providing  for an                 
       effective date."                                                        
                                                                               
                                                                               
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  Representative Brown WITHDREW Amendment 20 (copy on file).                   
                                                                               
  Representative  Navarre  MOVED  to RESCIND  the  Committee's                 
  action in  adopting Amendment 19 (copy on  file).  Amendment                 
  19 would allow the defendant to bring evidence into the case                 
  in  order to  allocate a  portion of  the fault  to a  third                 
  party,  in  defense   of  themselves.    He   questioned  if                 
  previously made statements  in regards to the  "empty chair"                 
  were correct.  He  observed that the argument was  made that                 
  plaintiffs wait  until the  last moment,  in regards to  the                 
  statue of limitations,  to file a  lawsuit.  In which  case,                 
  other potential  defendants would be exempt  from liability.                 
  He maintained that  the argument is  incorrect and that  the                 
  statutes would be tolled.                                                    
                                                                               
  MIKE  LEESMEIER, ATTORNEY, STATE  FARM ATTORNEY  described a                 
  case  in  which  he was  involved.    He  observed that  the                 
  plaintiffs  in   the  case  knew   about  another  potential                 
  responsible party.  The court ruled that the defendant would                 
  be responsible for the negligence  of the third party unless                 
  they were brought into the case.   He maintained that it  is                 
  an open question  as to whether  the statute of  limitations                 
  tolls.    The plaintiffs  agreed that  they  did not  have a                 
  direct claim against the  third party.  The third  party was                 
  only involved in order  to establish a percentage  of fault.                 
  They were ultimately dismissed out of the case.                              
                                                                               
  Representative Navarre asked if the plaintiff would have the                 
  right to a civil claim against a defendant that was left out                 
  of the suit.  Mr. Lessmeier referred to the case in which he                 
  was involved.   He  noted that  the third  party was  joined                 
  solely for purpose  of establishing an allocation  of fault.                 
  The  judgement  was   that  the   defendant  would  not   be                 
  responsible for the  third party fault  if they were  joined                 
  and the plaintiff did not have a direct action against them.                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Representative  Navarre   suggested  that  court   rules  be                 
  clarified  to ensure that  everyone can  get into  the court                 
  room  without  creating  an imbalanced  playing  field.   He                 
  suggested  that  section  14  would  warrant  a  veto.    He                 
  acknowledged that there are some  plaintiffs that wait until                 
  the statute of limitations has almost  run out before filing                 
  a claim.  He maintained that defendants and  their attorneys                 
  often "stonewall" and will not  provide ample information to                 
  the plaintiff until a suit has  been initiated.  He asserted                 
  that plaintiffs may not have  access to the information they                 
  need to ascertain an accurate claim before filing a suit.                    
                                                                               
  Representative Porter  observed that the  Attorney General's                 
  Office   stated  that  this   provision,  as   contained  in                 
  legislation  during  the  past Legislature,  was  needed  to                 
                                                                               
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  clarify the law.                                                             
                                                                               
  Representative  Navarre  suggested  that  the  Alaska  Court                 
  System, as  the third branch of government,  may have better                 
  expertise and knowledge of  the subject.  He suggested  that                 
  the court should address the issue.                                          
                                                                               
  Representative  Therriault  summarized that  the plaintiff's                 
  initial filing  tolls the  statute of  limitations, so  that                 
  after the fact, third  parties can be brought into  the case                 
  even though they are past the statute of limitations.                        
                                                                               
  Mr.  Lessmeier  stressed  that  the  question has  not  been                 
  resolved under the law.  If the plaintiff chooses not to sue                 
  someone that they  knew or should have  known to investigate                 
  and sue, then in  his estimation, they would have  a statute                 
  of limitations problem.   He  noted that if  the statute  of                 
  limitations are  allowed to toll  then potential  defendants                 
  loose the protection of a two year statute of limitation.                    
                                                                               
  Representative   Navarre   stressed   that   the   potential                 
  defendant's  attorney  or  insurance company  do  not always                 
  admit that they  are willing to  accept some liability.   He                 
  noted  the   difficulty  of  obtaining   documentation  from                 
  potential   defendants.     Mr.   Lessmeier   asserted  that                 
  plaintiffs sue  the party  that has  money.   Representative                 
  Navarre disagreed  with  Mr.  Lessmeier's  assessment.    He                 
  stressed that  plaintiffs often  do not  know who should  be                 
  sued or who has money or insurance.                                          
                                                                               
  A  roll call  vote was  taken on the  MOTION to  RESCIND the                 
  Committee's action in failing to adopt Amendment 19.                         
                                                                               
  IN FAVOR: Brown, Navarre, Therriault                                         
  OPPOSED:  Kelly, Martin, Mulder, Parnell, Foster, Hanley                     
                                                                               
  Representatives Grussendorf and Kohring were absent  for the                 
  vote.                                                                        
                                                                               
  The MOTION FAILED (3-6).                                                     
                                                                               
  Representative Brown MOVED  to adopt  Amendment 5A (copy  on                 
  file).    Amendment 5A  would  delete "hazardous  waste" and                 
  insert  "hazardous  substance"  and  add  a   definition  of                 
  hazardous substance  (copy on file).   Representative Ported                 
  stated that he did not object to the amendment.                              
                                                                               
  Representative Martin OBJECTED.   He expressed  concern that                 
  the definition is too broad.                                                 
                                                                               
  Representative  Mulder  suggested  that  the  definition  in                 
  Amendment  5a  be amended.    He  MOVED to  delete  from the                 
                                                                               
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  definition, "or to fish, animals, vegetation, or any part of                 
  the natural habitat in which  fish, animals, or wildlife may                 
  be found."  There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                     
                                                                               
  Representative  Martin  reiterated  his  concern  with   the                 
  substitution of "substance".                                                 
                                                                               
  Representative Brown noted that the definition of "hazardous                 
  substance", contained in  Amendment 5A,  is similar to  that                 
  used in AS 46.08.900.                                                        
                                                                               
  A roll call vote was taken on  the MOTION to adopt Amendment                 
  5A.                                                                          
                                                                               
  IN FAVOR: Brown,    Navarre,    Kelly,    Mulder,   Parnell,                 
  Therriault,         Hanley                                                   
  OPPOSED:  Martin, Foster                                                     
                                                                               
  Representatives Grussendorf and Kohring were absent from the                 
  vote.                                                                        
                                                                               
  Representative  Brown  provided members  with  Amendment 21A                 
  (copy  on file).    Amendment 21A  changes  the interest  on                 
  judgments from 10  and one half  percent to a floating  rate                 
  that is 3 percent  above the federal reserve  discount rate.                 
  She  maintained that the current provision  is an attempt by                 
  insurance companies to  secure a windfall at the  expense of                 
  injured persons who  are forced to  litigate in order to  be                 
  compensated.   She observed that a prudent investor can earn                 
  substantially more on an investment than 3 percent above the                 
  federal discount rate.  She stated that the provision  would                 
  give insurance  companies an incentive  to delay  litigation                 
  and to delay paying valid claims.   She noted that the state                 
  of Alaska receives  a rate  of 5 percent  above the  federal                 
  reserve rate  or  11  percent,  whichever is  higher.    She                 
  alleged that  the  amendment would  be  less fair  than  the                 
  status quo, but better than provisions in HB 158.                            
                                                                               
  Representative Mulder noted that a floating rate  will be in                 
  real dollar terms of  the time.  Co-Chair Hanley  noted that                 
  the interest  rate could be  less than the  federal interest                 
  rate.  He suggested that the  10.5 percent floor be deleted.                 
  He explained  that under  the provisions  of HB  158 if  the                 
  federal interest  rate went  to 15  percent the  prejudgment                 
  interest would  be  16 percent.    Under the  amendment  the                 
  interest would remain at 10.5 percent.                                       
                                                                               
  Representative Brown  MOVED  to  delete  "or  10.5  percent,                 
  whichever is less."   There  being NO OBJECTION,  it was  so                 
  ordered.                                                                     
                                                                               
  A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION to  adopt Amendment                 
                                                                               
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  21A.                                                                         
                                                                               
  IN FAVOR: Brown, Grussendorf, Navarre                                        
  OPPOSED:  Kelly,   Martin,   Mulder,   Parnell,  Therriault,                 
  Foster,        Hanley                                                        
                                                                               
  Representative Kohring was absent for the vote.                              
                                                                               
  The MOTION FAILED (3-7).                                                     
                                                                               
  Representative Navarre MOVED to adopt  Amendment 22 (copy on                 
  file).  Representative   Hanley  OBJECTED  for   purpose  of                 
  discussion.  Amendment  22 would delete  sections 19 and  30                 
  regarding  prejudgment  interest.    Representative  Navarre                 
  maintained  that  without the  amendment  most of  the claim                 
  would be shown as future economic  or non-economic loss.  He                 
  expressed  concern  that  there   would  be  no  prejudgment                 
  interest.                                                                    
                                                                               
  In  response  to a  question  by Representative  Mulder, Mr.                 
  Lessmeier explained that prejudgment interest  runs from the                 
  time  that  written  notice of  the  claim  is  sent to  the                 
  defendant.  The interest runs at 10 and a half percent.  The                 
  court recently  ruled that  there is  no longer  prejudgment                 
  interest on future  economic loss.  Prejudgment  interest is                 
  paid on all  damages from the  time written notice is  given                 
  until the time of  trial.  Prejudgment interest can  also be                 
  collected on future pain and suffering.                                      
                                                                               
  Representative Mulder spoke against the amendment.                           
                                                                               
  Representative  Navarre  demonstrated  that  in  a  case  of                 
  extreme disfigurement  involving a  22 year  old that  there                 
  would be no  penalty for  a delay  of the case  in terms  of                 
  prejudgment  interest.    Mr.  Lessmeier  pointed  out  that                 
  prejudgment   interest  will   continue  for   past  losses.                 
  Representative  Navarre  stressed  that insurance  companies                 
  want to  settle on their  terms.    He maintained that  if a                 
  plaintiff is not willing to  settle that the threat  remains                 
  that the case  can continue  indefinitely.  He  acknowledged                 
  that both  sides abuse the  system, but maintained  that the                 
  legislation is weighted to the side of the defense.                          
                                                                               
  Representative  Brown noted that  prior to 1986, prejudgment                 
  interest was  calculated  from the  day  of injury.    Under                 
  current  law the interest is  calculated from the time there                 
  is written notice of the claim.                                              
                                                                               
  Representative Brown spoke in support of the amendment.  She                 
  expressed concern that there  would not be an incentive  for                 
  insurance  companies  or  defendants  to  settle  under  the                 
  provisions of HB 158.                                                        
                                                                               
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  Representative  Porter  clarified that  prejudgment interest                 
  will accrue and be  paid from the  date of the notice  until                 
  the time of the disposition of the case.                                     
                                                                               
  Representative  Parnell questioned  the policy  of including                 
  punitive damages.   Representative Porter stated that  there                 
  is no prejudgment interest on punitive damages.                              
                                                                               
  Representative  Navarre  stressed   that  the  jury   system                 
  reflects what the public deems to be the best judgment.  Mr.                 
  Lessmeier explained how juries  currently derive the portion                 
  of past judgement on intangible damages.                                     
                                                                               
  (Tape Change, HFC 95-55, Side 2)                                             
                                                                               
  A roll call vote was taken  on the MOTION to adopt Amendment                 
  22.                                                                          
                                                                               
  IN FAVOR: Brown, Grussendorf, Navarre                                        
  OPPOSED:  Kelly,   Martin,   Mulder,   Parnell,  Therriault,                 
  Foster,        Hanley                                                        
                                                                               
  Representative Kohring was absent for the vote.                              
                                                                               
  The MOTION FAILED ( 3-7).                                                    
                                                                               
  Representative Brown amended  Amendment 23  to delete  lines                 
  3,4 and 5  (copy on  file).  Representative  Brown MOVED  to                 
  adopt  Amendment   23.    Representative   Mulder  OBJECTED.                 
  Amendment 23 would delete references to AS 09.55.553, Medial                 
  Expert Witnesses.                                                            
                                                                               
  Representative Brown  suggested that  provisions  of HB  158                 
  would limit the  pool of people  available to testify as  an                 
  expert witness.   Witnesses  would have  to be  of the  same                 
  specialty, certified  and  recognized by  the State  Medical                 
  Board  and  be in  active  practice  within one  year.   She                 
  suggested that the  court should  be left to  decide who  is                 
  qualified.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Representative Porter stated  that the section proposed  for                 
  deletion attempts to  address a  concern within the  medical                 
  community that there are hired guns  that can be obtained to                 
  provide expert testimony  on a point  of view.  He  stressed                 
  that  the  provision  provides  that  the  medical  expert's                 
  information  will  be  current and  meet  the  standards for                 
  medical qualifications in the state of Alaska.                               
                                                                               
  Representative  Porter  noted  that the  provision  does not                 
  preclude outside expert medical witnesses.                                   
                                                                               
                                                                               
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  Representative Navarre  asked if the determination of expert                 
  witnesses should be decided by the Legislature or the Alaska                 
  Supreme Court.   Representative Porter stated that  the best                 
  qualified source  for deciding medical  expert testimony  is                 
  the State Medical Board.                                                     
                                                                               
  In  response  to a  question  by  Representative Therriault,                 
  Representative Porter  stated  that  the  qualifications  of                 
  outside  medical  experts  would be  accepted  by  the State                 
  Medical Board.                                                               
                                                                               
  In response to a question by Representative Grussendorf, Mr.                 
  Lessmeier stated that  a retired  family physician would  be                 
  allowed to testified through his connection to the case.  He                 
  maintained that the provision  states that expert  witnesses                 
  ought  to  be recognized  by the  National Board,  in active                 
  practice and of the same specialty.                                          
                                                                               
  In  response  to a  question  by Representative  Mulder, Mr.                 
  Lessmeier clarified that the amount of compensation given to                 
  an expert witness is admissible in court.                                    
                                                                               
  Representative  Porter  explained  page  14,  lines  4  -  6                 
  addresses  the possibility  of contingency  fees to  protect                 
  objectivity.                                                                 
                                                                               
  Representative Mulder summarized that the provision prevents                 
  people  who are  outside medical  experts and  don't  have a                 
  related interest to  the field  to which the  case is  being                 
  tried from providing testimony.                                              
                                                                               
  Representative Brown referred to page 14,  lines 4 - 6 ,(b).                 
  She read  from a sectional  analysis prepared by  the Alaska                 
  Action Trust (copy on  file).  She read:  "Paragraph  (b) is                 
  problematic.   When read  literally, it  would preclude  law                 
  firms or sole practitioners from  associating with other law                 
  firms in medical malpractice  cases.  For example, if  a law                 
  firm associated with a sole  practitioner engaged in a split                 
  contingency  fee and provided  a medical  expert as  part of                 
  that   agreement,   the   defense    could   challenge   the                 
  admissibility  of   such  testimony  under   this  statutory                 
  framework.    Even  more  troubling, it  could  be  read  to                 
  preclude any law  firm from taking  a malpractice case on  a                 
  contingency because, by necessity, lawyers have  to contract                 
  with an expert to  render testimony.  Lawyers are  the third                 
  party and  have  a  contingency agreement.    As  such,  the                 
  statute may prohibit  attorney participation.  On  the other                 
  hand, if the statute is  only meant to prohibit  contracting                 
  with outside (or within the  state) organizations whose sole                 
  business is arranging medical expert  witnesses, it would be                 
  unethical to enter into a  contingency agreement with such a                 
  nonlawyer   entity   in  the   first   place.     There  are                 
                                                                               
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  organizations  (including  those   headed  up  by   licensed                 
  attorneys)  whose  sole  practice  is  limited to  reviewing                 
  medical legal cases and obtaining viable expert witnesses."                  
                                                                               
  Representative Porter responded that it is not the intent of                 
  (b) on page 14, to indicate that the third party is  the law                 
  firm  that  is  involved in  the  case.    The provision  is                 
  directed toward brokers for medical testimony.                               
                                                                               
  Mr. Lessmeier stated that contingency fees could be utilized                 
  by  either  side.   He acknowledged  that  they may  be more                 
  common  on the  plaintiffs'  side.   Representative  Navarre                 
  observed  that  plaintiffs may  not  have money  to  pay for                 
  expert witnesses unless there is  a contingency arrangement.                 
  Representative  Porter  conceded  that  problems  concerning                 
  "hired guns" as  medical experts  are more  common in  other                 
  states.    He   emphasized  that  the  provision   would  be                 
  preventative.                                                                
                                                                               
  (Tape Change, HFC 95-56, Side 1)                                             
                                                                               
  Representative  Brown  read  from   the  sectional  analysis                 
  prepared  by  the  Alaska  Action  Trust:    "By  redefining                 
  professional   negligence   this   provision    appears   to                 
  statutorily define duty of care.   For any number of reasons                 
  this  is  extremely  problematic  and  an attempt  to  limit                 
  plaintiff's  litigants  from  access  to  potential  medical                 
  defendants.  That  is, it limits professional  negligence to                 
  "rendering"  professional services.    It would  effectively                 
  eliminate  medical  professionals  who  fail  to render  any                 
  services at  all or  were  used as  consultants rather  than                 
  actively participating in  the health care delivered  to the                 
  patient...   On the  other hand,  if this  is an  attempt to                 
  codify the common law definition of medical negligence it is                 
  woefully inadequate.   Professional services  definitionally                 
  would insulate hospitals  from the  negligent acts of  their                 
  employees  if they were done  outside the scope of licensing                 
  provisions.    Moreover, it  would  insulate doctors  form a                 
  negligence claim if they operate outside the  scope of their                 
  licensing requirements.   Literally then, a doctor  who is a                 
  G.P.  who  renders  service  as   an  orthopedist  could  be                 
  insulated.   More troubling, how is a patient to know?  This                 
  section would  effectively allow the licensing provisions of                 
  the   individual   or   institution   to   dictate   medical                 
  negligence."                                                                 
                                                                               
  Representative  Porter  replied  that  a  doctor   operating                 
  outside   his  scope   would  be   rendering  unprofessional                 
  services.  He emphasized that the provision tries to  define                 
  what services are covered by  the normal everyday occurrence                 
  of  a doctor  performing their  occupation.   He added  that                 
  professional negligence means a negligent act or omission by                 
                                                                               
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  a health care provider in rendering professional services.                   
                                                                               
  Representative Mulder suggested that  the third party should                 
  be identified  to clarify  that  it is  not the  plaintiff's                 
  attorney.  Members discussed alternative language.  Co-Chair                 
  Hanley suggested the  addition of "with a  third party other                 
  than  the  plaintiff or  defense attorney."   Representative                 
  Porter suggested that  "an attorney representing a  party in                 
  the case" be added.                                                          
                                                                               
  A roll call vote was taken  on the MOTION to adopt Amendment                 
  23.                                                                          
                                                                               
  IN FAVOR: Brown, Grussendorf, Navarre, Foster                                
  OPPOSED:  Therriault, Kelly, Martin, Mulder, Hanley                          
                                                                               
  Representatives Parnell,  and Kohring  were absent  from the                 
  vote.                                                                        
                                                                               
  The MOTION FAILED (4-5).                                                     
                                                                               
  Representative Brown MOVED  adopt a conceptional  amendment,                 
  to insert  on line  7, after  "third party",  "with a  third                 
  party other  than an  attorney representing  a party  in the                 
  case."  There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                         
                                                                               
  Representative Brown MOVED  to adopt  Amendment 25 (copy  on                 
  file).  She explained that the amendment would tie the Act's                 
  effective  date  to  a  20  percent deduction  in  liability                 
  insurance rates.  She spoke in support of the amendment.                     
                                                                               
  Representative Porter  stated that the  intent language does                 
  not suggest that  the bill  will have a  specific impact  on                 
  reducing  insurance  rates  within  a  specific  time.    He                 
  indicated   that    the   amendment   is    not   reasonably                 
  accomplishable.   He stressed that the general trend is that                 
  rates are positively affected in terms of a reduction in the                 
  rate of increase.                                                            
                                                                               
  A roll call vote was taken on the  MOTION to adopt Amendment                 
  25.                                                                          
                                                                               
  IN FAVOR: Brown, Grussendorf, Navarre                                        
  OPPOSED:  Kelly, Martin, Parnell, Therriault, Foster, Hanley                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Representatives  Mulder and  Kohring  were  absent from  the                 
  vote.                                                                        
                                                                               
  The MOTION FAILED (3-6).                                                     
                                                                               
  Representative Brown MOVED  to adopt  Amendment 26 (copy  on                 
                                                                               
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  file).  Co-Chair Hanley OBJECTED  for purpose of discussion.                 
  Amendment  26 would  delete  page 11,  lines 17  - 27.   She                 
  maintained that  the drafting  language is  confusing.   She                 
  stated that the language could be interpreted to mean that a                 
  partial settlement  is deducted from the jury award and that                 
  the  remaining  defendant's  percentage  of  fault  is  then                 
  applied to the reduced number.  Under this interpretation it                 
  would  be  mathematically  impossible for  the  plaintiff to                 
  fully recover unless the jury  finds the remaining defendant                 
  100 percent  of fault.   She  noted that  the section  would                 
  discourage pretrial settlements.                                             
                                                                               
  Representative Porter disagreed with her interpretation.  He                 
  maintained  that the  provision sets  out that if  there are                 
  multiple  defendants and  one  defendant  settles  that  the                 
  settlement does not  discharge the other parties  from their                 
  determination of fault by the jury.                                          
                                                                               
  Mr.  Lessmeier  stated  that the  provision  is  designed to                 
  ensure that there is no double recovery.                                     
                                                                               
  Representative Porter  stated that he did not  object to the                 
  amendment since case law  has established the intent of  the                 
  provision.    There  being NO  OBJECTION,  Amendment  26 was                 
  adopted.                                                                     
                                                                               
  Representative Brown WITHDREW Amendment 27 (copy on file).                   
                                                                               
  Representative Brown MOVED  to adopt  Amendment 28 (copy  on                 
  file).   She stated that the amendment  would set the cap on                 
  punitive damages at $5.0 billion dollars.  She questioned if                 
  the intent of  HB 158 is to  remove the deterrent  effect of                 
  punitive damage law.                                                         
                                                                               
  Representative Martin spoke against the amendment.                           
                                                                               
  Representative Brown suggested that the  court be allowed to                 
  decide awards for  punitive damages.  She  argued in support                 
  of the amendment.   She  maintained that there  would be  no                 
  punitive deterrent for large,  international, multi-national                 
  corporations.                                                                
  A  roll call vote was taken on the MOTION to adopt Amendment                 
  28.                                                                          
                                                                               
  IN FAVOR: Brown, Grussendorf                                                 
  OPPOSED:  Kelly,   Martin,    Mulder,   Navarre,    Parnell,                 
  Therriault,         Hanley                                                   
                                                                               
  Representatives  Kohring  and Foster  were  absent  from the                 
  vote.                                                                        
                                                                               
  The MOTION FAILED (2-9).                                                     
                                                                               
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  Representative Brown MOVED  to adopt  Amendment 20 (copy  on                 
  file).   Co-Chair  Hanley  OBJECTED.   Representative  Brown                 
  explained  that  the  amendment would  remove  the  offer of                 
  judgment provision.   She asserted that the  provision would                 
  make  it difficult  for people  to guess  the allocation  of                 
  fault  or  recovery.   She stated  that the  provision would                 
  increase  the cost of misjudging the  allocation of fault or                 
  recovery, to  an intolerable  level, full  cost of  attorney                 
  fees to the person making the offer.  She read from a report                 
  prepared by John  Suddock, President, The Alaska  Academy of                 
  Trial  Lawyers  (copy   on  file).     "This  provision   is                 
  breathtaking in its scope  and ferocity.  Not only  will the                 
  victim  who  loses  at  trial  pay  the  defendant's  entire                 
  attorney fee  and all costs.   Also, the victim  who wins at                 
  trial, but guesses wrong about the size of the verdict, will                 
  pay just as if  he had lost.   The victim pays if he  loses;                 
  the victim pays if he wins."  She continued to give examples                 
  from  Mr. Suddock's report.   She concluded:  "Victims would                 
  choose  between  accepting  a  low offer  and  the  risk  of                 
  financial  ruin."    She asserted  that  this  section gives                 
  excessive  leverage   to  insurance   companies  to   under-                 
  compensate injured Alaskans.                                                 
                                                                               
  Representative  Porter  maintained  that  the  section  is a                 
  disincentive to "low  ball" an offer.   He observed that  if                 
  the  offer  of judgment  is not  accepted  and the  award is                 
  greater, then whoever  made the offer is penalized.  Current                 
  law provides that  offers of judgments should  be considered                 
  seriously.  He stressed that a penalty  exists under current                 
  law.   He observed  that  the provision  would increase  the                 
  penalty in order to inspire settlement.                                      
                                                                               
  A roll call vote was taken on  the MOTION to adopt Amendment                 
  20.                                                                          
                                                                               
  IN FAVOR: Brown, Grussendorf, Navarre                                        
  OPPOSED:  Kelly,   Martin,   Mulder,   Parnell,  Therriault,                 
  Foster,        Hanley                                                        
                                                                               
  Representative Kohring was absent from the meeting.                          
                                                                               
  The MOTION FAILED (3-7).                                                     
                                                                               
  Representative  Brown  provided  members with  Amendment  29                 
  (copy on file).   Amendment 29 amends section 2,  Statute of                 
  Repose.   She explained that  the amendment would  limit the                 
  section  to  birth  related  injury  or  death  and  require                 
  commencement  within  eight  years.   The  statue  of repose                 
  regarding building  construction would  remain at 15  years.                 
  The statute  of repose in  regards to personal  injury would                 
  remain at two years from the time the injury was known.                      
                                                                               
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  Representative  Porter suggested  that  the amendment  would                 
  nullify the  statute of  repose except  for cases  involving                 
  injury.                                                                      
                                                                               
  A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION Amendment 29.                       
                                                                               
  IN FAVOR: Brown, Grussendorf, Navarre, Foster                                
  OPPOSED:  Kelly, Martin, Mulder, Parnell, Therriault, Hanley                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Representative Kohring was absent for the vote.                              
                                                                               
  The MOTION FAILED (4-6).                                                     
                                                                               
  Representative  Navarre  MOVED   to  delete  "adequate   and                 
  appropriate" on page  3, line  12.  He  maintained that  the                 
  language is not necessary.                                                   
                                                                               
  Representative Porter spoke against the amendment.                           
                                                                               
  A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION.                                    
                                                                               
  IN FAVOR: Brown, Grussendorf, Navarre                                        
  OPPOSED:  Kelly,   Martin,   Mulder,   Parnell,  Therriault,                 
  Foster,        Hanley                                                        
                                                                               
  Representative Kohring was absent for the vote.                              
                                                                               
  The MOTION FAILED (3-7).                                                     
                                                                               
  Representative  Navarre  referred to  page  3, line  25 (g),                 
  "reduce  the  ultimate  costs  to the  state  and  to  local                 
  governments of  providing  medical  services  to  those  who                 
  cannot otherwise afford those services."   He questioned how                 
  the bill accomplishes subsection (g).                                        
                                                                               
  Representative  Porter  observed  that  there  are   medical                 
  services provided by  state and local governments  to people                 
  who  cannot  afford services.      He stressed  that  if the                 
  overall costs  of health services decrease then costs to the                 
  state will also be reduced.                                                  
                                                                               
  Representative Navarre MOVED to delete page 3, line 25 - 26.                 
  He asserted that there is no evidence that health care costs                 
  will be reduced.                                                             
                                                                               
  Representative  Brown  suggested that  victims  who are  not                 
  adequately compensated will end up costing the state money.                  
                                                                               
  A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION.                                    
                                                                               
                                                                               
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  IN FAVOR: Brown, Grussendorf, Navarre                                        
  OPPOSED:  Kelly,   Martin,   Mulder,   Parnell,  Therriault,                 
  Foster,        Hanley                                                        
                                                                               
  Representative Kohring was absent for the vote.                              
                                                                               
  The MOTION FAILED (3-7).                                                     
                                                                               
  Representative Brown referred to section 33.  Representative                 
  Porter stated that  rule 95  deals with the  ability of  the                 
  court  to  sanction  attorneys  that  have  filed  frivolous                 
  lawsuits.  The provision allows the court to impose fines up                 
  to $10.0 thousand dollars, for frivolous suits.                              
                                                                               
  Representative Mulder MOVED to report  CSHB 158 (FIN) out of                 
  Committee  with  individual  recommendations  and  with  the                 
  accompanying fiscal notes.  Representative Navarre OBJECTED.                 
                                                                               
  Representative  Navarre  referenced   section  25,   Damages                 
  Resulting From the  Commission of  a Crime.   He noted  that                 
  current law requires a  conviction to show that there  was a                 
  crime or attempted crime.                                                    
                                                                               
  Representative Porter  noted that  someone fleeing  from the                 
  commission  of a  crime may  be  killed.   In which  case, a                 
  conviction cannot  ensue.   Representative Porter  discussed                 
  situations which may pertain to section 25.                                  
                                                                               
  (Tape Change, HFC 95-56, Side 2)                                             
                                                                               
  Representative  Navarre asked  if there  is any  information                 
  indicating  that  a  change  is  necessary  in  section  25.                 
  Representative Porter  stated that the current  law requires                 
  that there  is a  conviction.   He noted  that a  conviction                 
  cannot be obtained if the defendant is deceased.                             
                                                                               
  A roll call  vote was taken on  the MOTION to move  CSHB 158                 
  (FIN) out of Committee.                                                      
                                                                               
  IN FAVOR: Kelly,   Martin,   Mulder,   Parnell,  Therriault,                 
  Foster,        Hanley                                                        
  OPPOSED:  Brown, Grussendorf, Navarre                                        
                                                                               
  Representative Kohring was absent from the meeting.                          
                                                                               
  The MOTION PASSED (7-3).                                                     

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